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Plato, the great philosopher of Athens, was born in 427 BCE. In early manhood an admirer of Socrates, he later founded the famous school of philosophy in the grove Academus. Much else recorded of his life is uncertain; that he left Athens for a time after Socrates’ execution is probable; that later he went to Cyrene, Egypt, and Sicily is possible; that he was wealthy is likely; that he was critical of ‘advanced’ democracy is obvious. He lived to be 80 years old. L… More >>
#1 by No-man on April 6, 2010 - 8:01 am
Are you vain and plan to rule the world with good looks and ambition? Well, Alcibiades is the book for you! In Plato’s attempt to speak the truth about his teacher Socrates he wrote a little known book called “Alcibiades”. In this dialogue Socrates deconstructs the vanity of Alcibiades, and informes the reader that Socrates is not to blame for the loss of the Peloponessian War, but the ambitions of his student Alcibiades. Make no mistake, this is an apology for Socrates from his most prolific student Plato! A must read for all HISTORIAN’s. KNOW THE HISTORY BEFORE YOU READ, and only read LOEB CLASSICS to check the translations!!!
Rating: 5 / 5
#2 by J. Duvoisin on April 6, 2010 - 9:58 am
Like most volumes in the Loeb series, the emphasis is not on word-for-word precision in the translation, but on acheiving greater readability in broader terms. Since the original text in ancient Greek is provided on the facing page, the editors assume that anyone with a little knowledge of Greek can supplement the looseness of the translation by referring to the original. And in general, the compromises made in this way are good ones throughout the series. This particular volume brings together some of the more obscure (perhaps even spurious) dialogues in the Platonic corpus, but these are still worth reading. The Charmides, the two Alcibiades dialogues and the Theages certainly repay caareful study. Lamb’s translation is faithful enough to give a good sense of the text, and the Greek is included for anyone who wants to get even closer to Plato’s thinking.
Rating: 5 / 5
#3 by Ronin on April 6, 2010 - 10:10 am
This should be essential reading as it is one of the greatest works of human history. Subjects include ethics and righteousness, but my favorite read is found in Critias with Solon’s description of Atlantis (possibly describing the region between the southern tip of UK and the French coast, a shallow area now covered in deep mud after the deluge swept across the Atlantic from the melt of the last ice age and the bursting of Hudson Bay?).
There is a lot of Plato packed into this volume. Perhaps the most important and overlooked section is found in Timaeus, where Plato describes nothing short of The Creation of The Universe. Here we find the first introduction to Atlantis, but more important, we find a fascinating dialog on mathematics by Timaeus who was a student of the Pythagorean school. Naturally, sections from this vol are conveniently missing, just like many of the other great works from the classical period that survived the Dark Ages.
One has to wonder just how common the mathematical knowledge was back in the day, as described by Plato? Like Pythagorean theorem, it most likely came from Egypt where Plato is known to have spent some time. In the Timaeus we find nothing less than the mathematical construct of the Universe, from nothingness to what we are today; from “chaos to cosmos”. This is high sacred geometry at its finest, and after deep meditation we could reasonably wonder if Plato understood molecular construct 2,400 years ago?
I generally have a bias to preferring the Loeb editions, though while not essential, for anyone working with the Platonic mathematics I think it is helpful to have a copy of the Penguin edition as it offers some better diagrams that I found helpful on the start of this journey. If you are buying the book to gain greater awareness of the mathematics (the only reason this should be studied imho), I suggest acquiring the works of Proclus, but unless you can read modern Greek and get the full translation, be prepared for the garbage academia versions currently available in English with their poor commentary and ridiculous prices.
Rating: 5 / 5
#4 by J. Duvoisin on April 6, 2010 - 11:19 am
Like most volumes in the Loeb series, the emphasis is not on word-for-word precision in the translation, but on acheiving greater readability in broader terms. Since the original text in ancient Greek is provided on the facing page, the editors assume that anyone with a little knowledge of Greek can supplement the looseness of the translation by referring to the original. And in general, the compromises made in this way are good ones throughout the series. Bury’s translation is one of the better ones in the series, achieving readability without sacrificing fidelity. There are also some fine notes to help with some of the more obscure mathematical arguments. It is also very useful to have the Timaeus and the Critias presented together. The inclusion of the Epistles along with the Cleitophon and Menexenus may seem a little miscellaneous, but these are fine translations of interesting texts.
Rating: 5 / 5